LOZA SZYDERCOW 2 by Malga Kubiak
at Le Madame in Warsaw 2005
/including interview in TEXT with Agata Mocarska from The Ego trip Label Blog/
Loza Szydercow 2 by Malga Kubiak the last part at Le Madame in Warsaw 2005
script cut out from Federico Garcia Lorca, Antonin Artaud, Georges Bataille, Sartre, Stanislawsky, Majakowskij, OMS by Malga Kubiak
Malga Kubiak, Agata Mocarska, Katarzyna Jaskiewicz, Marta Boros, Maciek Poreba, Jacek i Natalia Andrzejewski, Ania Tomczynska, Mariusz, Marta Mroz, Krystian Legierski, Wojtek i Natalia Sowka
camera Janusz Cegielo, back ground camera Zosia Jocz
light by Wolfram
make up Agata Piasecka
back ground music Martinez
drum Wojtek Sowka
production The Ego Trip
AGATA MOCARSKA MALGA KUBIAKs MUSE!
WHAT AM I SEARCHING for?
interview by Bolo Butler, corrections Anna Kowalska-Petrie, lay out Auto Matt, photos Game Girl, COK, & private
How can the actress work for so long with the director who doesn't pay?
A: Art is not only about money.
Whats the deal about Malga? What skills are required to get on her team?
A: She likes people I think. These kind of persona surround themselves by lots of people they find interesting in some ways. She gives space for people to be themselves.
How did u meet Malga Kubiak?
A: We met in a cult club in Warsaw Le Madame
How did u see her? What was your first impression?
A: The first time I saw her in that club on some party I thought ,what a bitch she must be, But that was before talking to her. After some conversation about the workshop I was surprised that she is very sweet person indeed.
How did it all begun?
A: Malga who just came from Sweden started organizing actor,s workshops in that club for a few of my friends. I talked to her and joined that program. It was fascinating and engaged a lot of emotions. At that time our friendship began.
What was your relation at the very start?
A:There was a lot talking about life and art, exchanging of ideas, opinions etc. Malga has very curious mind and I enjoyed spending time in her company. We used to walk in parks and discuss discuss.. She asked me sometimes to imagine some situation and act it in that public area. I liked her looks which was not typical for a Polish woman. Also I considered her a very gentle and sensitive person. I thought that she was an extraordinary person living an untypical kind of life, like someone you would meet in New York rather than Warsaw.
How come she asked u to join her team, her art work?
A:Probably she felt good about me.
What was your own situation at this point?
A:I was just doing my art, which was painting mostly at that time.
Did she train u?
A:Yes, this workshop was about that.
What was your actress experience?
A:I played in some short movies in my friends projects, mostly in Maksym Matuszewski,s ones.
What did u do on the workshop? And for how long?
A: We were practicing some behavior joining the team together, which looked like some witch rituals, some kind of putting together of energies. But mostly it was acting various emotional situations from our lives. Without Malga it was 3 of us, which made it quite an intimate story.
How come u traveled together in a very quick car trip to Paris and back?
A:Malga wanted to sing in clubs in Berlin, Amsterdam and Paris with DJ Martinez. Actually one more driver was necessary, as only one person had a driving license. But seriously I thing we just liked each other and enjoyed the company.
Did u ever hear about her before u met her?
How did u see her when u finally met?
A:Very interesting, unusual, witchy, arty..
What was this project game/girl movie about?
A:Maybe about mixing ,reality, and the imaginative world. About living fast in a community, about bands, romance, hitting the road. Like ,everything is possible,.
How was the Denmark excursion?
A:Oh it was great, summertime, an interesting project, a great group of people with a plan to spend creative time together. Malga payed our petrol bills and arranged a house on the seashore, where a lot of scenes were shot, as well as on the beach. The water was cold but pleasant, refreshing. We swam a lot in the waves, wandered at night in the forest.
Why did she ask just u?
A:I,m not sure what it means ,just you,. There were plenty of people engaged somehow in that project. There were about 11 actors, as everybody played, cameramen also and assistants. Some girl cooked us delicious dinners, and did make-up and blood effects too. It was like filming and living in a crazy community at the same time. A lot of people didn't know each other before, and then we spent over a week in the same house, acting, eating, partying, sleeping. There was some flirting actions, arguments and stuff. Which probably is unavoidable in a group of people intensively doing such a thing. There were moments of great laughter and fun and also days when some tension was hanging around.
Did u really shoot 58 scenes in 1 week?
A:Probably, I wasn't counting.
Who kept the tempo?
A:The director of course. I thought that she could be very disciplined if she wanted, which I think is very important in art work. Everywhere probably.
Why did u play 3 different roles? Do u think in GG, she has a lead role or u?
A:I never considered myself as having a lead role, I just played the best I could from my part of the movie. There were a lot of people playing with us. Malga was the glue of all this, so maybe she was the main character. But I really dont try to find out who had a leading role. It was not so important for me. If I had a lot of roles, it means that in Malga,s concept it was good for the movie. Probably the way I behaved and looked was what she wanted to express on the screen. For me, some scenes were not easy, but thanks to that I could experience a new something. I,ve heard that Fellini didn't expect actors to rehearse too much or to think about the character they played. I think that is similar in Malga,s case.
Why did she ask u to continue working with her?
A:Maybe it was stimulating.
How did u create "Loza Szydercow 2" and why? How did u work?
A:I didn't have much input in LS.
Your role in COK? How did u prepare?
A:I read a lot of Sarah.
Did u discuss with Malga your ideas? Did she? Did she demand of u a certain way of acting and what was it?
A:Malga rather didn't demand any particular way of acting. Of course we talked about the general idea and particular scenes but she left a lot of space to actors. I think she was interested in observing us in different situations. You were free to act out some topic, how you felt about it.
When u shot COK, how did u feel about it?
A:I,ve read for the first time something of Kane. And I found her world very strong and modern.
When did u work with Loza Szydercow 2?
A:I dont remember the precise date, I have difficulty with that and in many other things in my life too.
Were u aware Loza Szydercow 1 was also created for u, but u didn't participate, u had an exam, why didn't any of u change the dates?
A:Maybe it wasn't meant to be.
Is being an actress your main go, main goal?
A:No but I like it when it happens. I'm interested in various activities.
How do you keep going in life?
A:I think positively in spite of obstacles. In the creative process its sometimes difficult, things dont go the way we would them to. But this make us think, and create new solutions that push the world forward.I dont think much about theory. I do what comes to my mind. I imagine something and try to find a proper way (technically) to do it. I like using different media like paints, wood, metal, silicone etc in my works. I go to scrap yards to find interesting pieces and then combine them together. Certainly all areas of my activity influence each other.
Whats your education?
Whats your passion?
what sports? and what excites u in sports?
A:a body is our medium here in this life.I like the way I feel it after sports. For example when it's flexible after yoga asanas. I adore swimming, water skies, diving etc. At gym u can build your body like a sculpture.
A:diving is divine. u put on weights and go down heavy like a cow, but under water it gets very peaceful, quiet, slow motion. u can even dance there. in warm seas you can see a lot of space and light, beside all those crazy creatures. of course to a certain depth. u rely on equipment so it can be dangerous, but still, life is dangerous.
What are your sexual preferences?
A:Hetero, but I like women in certain way too. I think certain intimacy is over gender.
Your personal history?
A:Oh, I should write a novel here;) Just a person with more or less a human experience.
A:A sea comes to my dreams often, literary speaking. It appears as wild and dark or bright and beautiful depending on state of mind I guess. I like my dreams, I used to note them after night, as they are crazy and complicated stories, very real. I believe they say a lot about us.
Why did she get u into the Berlin play she was going to work with Carl Andersen, Carl was the director, Malga was acting director on stage,and u were the directors, Malga,s assistant? How was it to work with Malga in Berlin? How was to work with Carl?
A:This is a kind of question that should be asked to Malga.I guess it was the same reason why I acted in her projects with her. Carl I found very interesting, sensitive, drinking & smoking much. Somebody who pays attention on many little subtle things in a person. Who could be very bad tempered too. It was exclusively someth. dark, sensual and sexual that interested him. The Berlin theater was a challenge for me. I've never done it before in a theater in another country. We had couple of days of rehearsal and then played in front of the public. It was very intense.
Was the act between both of u her plan?
A:I dont know, its possible.
Why did she force u to undress on stage?
A:Again, I wouldn't use the word ,force,. I wouldn't do it if I didn't want to. I dont have a problem with nakedness. Although its quite a stress experience in front of audience when u r sober.
Did u understand that your entire love scene, the climax scene was Malga's construction, not Carl's?
A:I wasn't aware of this fully, but its possible she had her own ideas which Carl accepted.
Why did she do that?
A:Crossing borders maybe, getting close.
Do u think she had a crush on u?
A:We liked each other a lot.
How many shows did u play?
A:I dont remember, several maybe. It was a few times a week for couple of weeks.
What happened after?
A:We finished and came back to Warsaw. It wasn't bad. It was a very intense time. We were different in a way over there. I found Malga very concentrated on herself, which made our communication a little difficult. So far it was like ,us, somehow, and there it was she versus me. Maybe I wasn't an angel too. But still, I think its a part of the process. For me the whole time in Berlin was a learning experience, new, creative. There were emotions between everybody, I mean the actors and the director. Artists can be very oversensitive. No doubt, I like that experience, with all the pluses and minuses. It was not easy, but worth it. I wouldn't have it without Malga.
Did u understand COK, did she create it for herself, for Sarah Kane and for u?
A:No, she didn't say anything outright. If she did, maybe I would have a different attitude.
Why didn't u want to work with Malga afterwards?
A:It was time for a short break.
Did all this excursion through the wild hurt u somehow?
Did u feel wounded or elevated?
A:I'm the type of person that is wounded by many things. It comes from vulnerability. But I try not to concentrate on this, as life itself is like that. Maybe sometimes I close myself, when I have enough of something, I've always felt a little aside. And then I get stubborn.
Why did u stop working with her when it was at its best?
A:Life sometimes gives us different paths for its own reasons.
U made 2 films with her, and 2 different theater plays. Of course Carl was the director of the theater Lick an Apple, but all actions between both of u, on stage was Malga's desire? What was going on? Were u tired of her?
A:A bit maybe. But don't we have sth like that about everything sometimes, including ourselves?
Did she want too much of u as the lead actress?
A:No, I liked that. Maybe at one moment she did. And this is something I can't function with.
Did she want your soul?
A:Having a close relationship with someone is always having somebodies soul in a way.
Did u understand she created the script about vampires for u, but u barely acted in it? U bailed out. She was making her Gay Hell at Dante Cafe but it turned out to be a different movie. U showed up only in the most crowded scenes, where u could be left to yourself.
A:It was a time when I appreciated my solitude. I didn't feel like crowds and cameras. I did as much as I could then.
In Mishima project she put your name on the poster for Mishima 1, but u never considered going there, joining? She had a special role for u for a very long time, but finally gave it to another actress.
A:Malga lives in Stockholm and I live in Warsaw. It was all about that. I liked the concept of Mishima. After Malga's proposition I read a few stories of him. I imagined myself even in harakiry scene, full of blood, dramatic.. If we lived in the same city I'm sure I would played there with pleasure.
What are your future plans?
A:I would like to travel with my exhibitions all over the world. I would love to reach a state of mind when I'm happy not because of external reasons but because of my inner awareness.
I hope Malga and I do something together again.
january/ massive screening at le madame of the ego trip collection february/ art fair in stockholm, suns birthday in gothenburg carl and me are planing to write a script, he throws the topic. the directors couple, problems with sex. He soon bails out. I write a scrip, it crystallizes quickly.
march/april/may/june/ workshop with actors
june/ 3 days trip to paris via berlin, amsterdam and bruxelle,
martinez & me perform 2x in amsterdam, 1 in paris, way back is 25h
drive without a stop, ela & agata drive
june karate, one day shooting GG at m25
july/august/ sweden, Carl bails out of entire project GG shooting
thats scheduled for september, frantic search for the cameras!
september/ GG shoot a week in rorvig, denmark with MY TEAM
october/ trip to berlin w agata & kasia / failing of editing by berlin,s boys
february/ loza szydercow 1 on wotever night at le madame
carl andersen is planing lick an apple like a pussy the play schiller never wrote/ at brotfabrik theater in berlin.
i plan to take agata with to berlin. in order to prepare her, i make decision to put up the play loza szydercow 2 at le madame.i write script, based on antoni artaud, george bataile, garcia lorca, include beats of OMS. we rehears few times, we train yoga. agata is going to play my assistant, i am playing director.le madame is going to be shut down, we get the last night. the place is maximally filled up, we play 3 hours and its success.
april/ i prepare script for berlin based on bertold brecht, schiller, heiner muller/hamletmachine, sarah kane whit highlights f artoud and bataile. i read shillers letters to the prince, they are revolutionary.
may / berlin brotfabriken theater,
on the first rehearsal i picture to carl my idea for using stanislawskis movement exercise w everybody and my act with agata. we are a lesbian couple and we are going to manage it emotional,16 shows we roll the hard stage floor nude, kissing, fumbling, seducing,shouting, fighting.
one morning i wake up and i have the COK script ready in my head.
the last day i badly fall down the staircase in carls house.
june / warsaw
my boy friend comes by, we make love,its absurd,i dont find myself in the situation i got so incredibly used to agatas lips, kisses,and body, i am shocked i am thinking
WHAT a Hell is He doing? what for he stuck his tongue in my mouth?
i write the script f COK, get actors, we rehearse intensely. martinez is going to film, maksym, g.graham comes f berlin to be my assistant,attila and paul come from berlin to film and act. we film few days, i am ill,after the staircase flight i take a v.strong penicillin, each day starts with the shitty quarter in the lu, martinez saves my skin talking to actors, deciding cameras placing, g.g figures actors positions. in the key scene under the bridge i get arrested and sit a while in the police car, direct f there. we film few days, all works.
WHAT AM I SEARCHING?
i am editing with martinez, he does sound and special effects and color. we take COK first, GG almost year later.
i get limited PR, but full at the cinema.
since i did with martinez GAY HELL, & MISHIMA MASKS, cooperation is